Edmonton city council votes to cease arena negotiations with the Katz Group

17 Oct
2012

Things got ugly last month in Daryl Katz's negotiations with the city of Edmonton on a new arena deal for the Oilers. On Monday, September 24th, a frustrated Mayor Stephen Mandel set a deadline of October 17th for the Katz Group and the city to come to an agreement. Later that same day, the Katz Group was in Seattle, touring Key Arena, watching a little football and, you know, tacitly threatening to move if their demands weren't met.

Most assumed that Katz was bluffing.

It would appear Mandel was not. Today is October 17th, there is no deal, and Edmonton City Council has voted unanimously to cease negotiations with Katz immediately.

It's possible Mandel was bluffing originally. Canadian cities don't tend to be this dismissive with their NHL franchises. In fact, the city's urgency to get Katz to appear in person on Tuesday, on the eve of the deadline, and spell out his demands suggests they really didn't want to go through with this. But, instead of appearing as requested, Katz refused, then released a letter to the media effectively saying the mayor sucked at mayoring.

We and the city can't even agree on basic assumptions relating to the financial aspects of operating a new arena.

Perhaps with more time and political leadership this deal can still be saved. But as it stands we remain far apart both on substance and process.

Mayor Mandel, this is an opportunity for Edmonton to be bold and forward-looking, and it warrants your support and leadership.

Said Stephen Mandel, in the understatement of the year, "Negotiations are not in good shape."

No kidding. When, the day before a negotiation deadline, the other side is writing nasty letters insulting your leadership, "not in good shape" is probably a light characterization of the state of things.

24 hours later, it's also an out-of-date characterization.

City Council made no secret of the role the letter played in their decision to kill the deal. From the Edmonton Sun:

The first point of the three part motion reads "As a result of Mr. Katz's letter and unwillingness to have an open discussion with council and the frustration of the interim design agreement, all negotiations and ongoing city work related to the Oct. 26, 2011, framework be ceased immediately."

Yeah. They didn't like your letter, bro.

Now, don't panic, Edmontonians. This doesn't mean the rise of the Seattle Oilers. Or the Kansas City Oilers. It simply means that negotiations on this deal are done. The city can still start up negotiations on a new deal, and there are 24 months remaining until the lease on Rexall Arena expires. There is time and, provided someone hides Daryl Katz's quill and parchment paper, there is still hope.

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Oilers owner Daryl Katz apologizes for Seattle trip with full page newspaper ad (PHOTO)

29 Sep
2012

Earlier this week, Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz caused a stir when he and team executives Patrick LaForge, Craig MacTavish, Kevin Lowe, and franchise icon Wayne Gretzky visited Seattle and toured Key Arena as he fights for a new arena deal. That same day, Seattle officials voted in favor of a plan for a $490 million arena, putting the city in the mix to be the home of a future NHL team should the league expand or have to relocate a franchise.

The visit caused much backlash in the Edmonton, with fans lashing out at the billionaire owner and calling his bluff with this attempt to use Seattle as leverage to get an arena deal done. The Seattle Oilers? Not a chance.

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Five days later, Katz has realized his mistake and on Saturday took out a full page ad in the Edmonton Journal apologizing for using the Oilers as a pawn in the negotiations.


From the Edmonton Journal:

The next move now comes by Oct. 17, a "drop-dead date" that Edmonton mayor Stephen Mandel has set for the Katz Group to detail what is needed to help reach an agreement on a new arena. "What is it? What do you want? We have been dealing with this for four years. You should know by now. … It's not a complicated issue of what you want. We just don't know what it is," Mandel told the Journal earlier this week.

According to the Edmonton Sun, members of the Katz Group met with city administrator's on Thursday, but Mandel is hopeful the Oct. 17 deadline doesn't come and go without the issues being hashed out together.

Is an apology letter enough to save face with Oilers fans?

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How has Wayne Gretzky escaped blame over Daryl Katz’s adventure in Seattle?

27 Sep
2012

The worst part of Daryl Katz's promenade through the city of Seattle on Monday wasn't its heavy-handedness. It wasn't even the way it insulted the patience and intelligence of Edmonton fans.

No, the worst part was that Wayne Gretzky participated in it.

It was a disappointment because Gretzky is near-blameless in Canada, and Katz's play read like such a tone-deaf, transparent ploy that it required the attribution of blame.

Yet, somehow, The Great One has managed to escape it.

Gretzky was part of Katz's crew at Key Arena in Seattle, along with Patrick LaForge and Kevin Lowe, and his presence made it all but a certainty that the group would get spotted. I would posit that this was part of the plan. After all, when the whole point of a tour is to be recognized, having the most recognizable face in hockey is just prudent.

But according to Gretzky, who appeared on the Fan 590 in Toronto on Wednesday to set the record straight and conveniently also smoothed over some of the negative P.R. in the process, he wasn't there for any other reason than to take in the football.

"I'm not involved with the NHL, I'm really not. It's just one of those things where I was invited to go to a football game and I said why not. Any official capacity is absolutely zero. I have no stake or claim in any team in the NHL whatsoever. Went there to enjoy a football game."

See, Wayne Gretzky just looooooooves football -- adores it, can't help but attend it.

Heck, when the Phoenix Coyotes extended his coaching contract in 2006, they should have just paid him in football. The Cardinals were moving into a new building just down the street in Glendale, after all, and Gretzky loves football so much he loses all common sense the moment you promise him seats on the fifty.

Or at least he used to. He's learned his lesson now.

"That's the last time I go to a football game," Gretzky chuckled, and you could almost hear him batting his eye-lashing over the phone.

He turned on the charm and said all the right things during the interview, including the fact that, despite the threat in which he played a part (unwittingly, we're supposed to believe), he believes the chances of the Oilers moving are zero per cent.

"I just don't see (Oilers move) happening. I think over time cooler heads are going to prevail and Daryl and the city will hammer out a deal ... I can't see them moving. It's one of the greatest franchises in the history of professional sports. You don't move a great franchise like that," Gretzky said.

"The NHL does not want franchises to move. They want to build those franchises, stabilize those franchises, and keep the fans that support those teams comfortable."

And with that, everyone breathed a sigh of relief. Gretzky, the pinnacle of Oilerdom, is not working to uproot one of the league's most storied teams and ship 'em to the home of the Totems, and he did not intentionally participate in the Katz Group's Hail Mary.

In fact, the only Hail Mary he was party to on Monday was the one caught cleanly by Seahawks receiver Golden Tate. (Ahem ...)

I assume this is what Gretzky thinks happened at the end of that game, because if he honestly couldn't parse Katz's ulterior motive for the trip, his vision is about on par with the NFL replacement refs.

It's not like Katz was subtle about it. It was one of the most overt attempts at gaining leverage in recent memory, especially two days after the Oilers' Twitter account sent out a tweet threatening their own relocation.

Katz Group Executive VP Bob Black's press release, sent out just after news of the group's presence in Seattle had been given time to simmer, was almost as blatant. It laid it on so thick, I was surprised it didn't include the phrase, Do you see what happens when you find a stranger in the alps? This is what happens, Larry!

Submitted for review:

"I can confirm that Daryl Katz, Patrick LaForge, Kevin Lowe and others from the Oilers leadership group are in Seattle for meetings and to attend the Seahawks game.

"We remain committed to working with City Administration to achieve a deal commensurate with what Winnipeg and Pittsburgh have done to sustain the NHL in those small markets. If we can achieve such a deal, the Oilers will remain in Edmonton and we can get on with the important work of developing the new arena and investing in the continued revitalization of Edmonton's downtown core.

Look at that wording. If we can achieve the deal we want, we'll remain. If we can't, goes the implication, well, goodbye, and good luck fixing up that crummy downtown core.

But Gretzky was an unwitting pawn, innocent as a babe and unaware of the larger scheme. He's not doing anything with the NHL in an official capacity, remember.

Okay, maybe not officially, but the guy is putting in some serious work in an unofficial capacity. He was in Seattle talking about NHL possibilities back in July. (Granted, he took in a Mariners game while he was there, so maybe he just believes in Seattle sports so, so much.) And recall that this isn't Gretzky's first time helping out the Oilers this offseason. He and Paul Coffey made a phone call back in July that was a major reason the franchise now employs Justin Schultz.

"I don't think I said one word when they called. I was in shock," Schultz told the Edmonton Journal. "For them to even take the time to call me, that's something I'll never forget."

Apparently everyone else has.

If it were any other person, none of what Gretzky said Wednesday would be good enough. It's not convincing, especially when juxtaposed with the evidence and the context. But it's Gretzky -- precious, perfect Gretzky -- so everyone took it at face value, un-furrowed and wiped their brows, and moved on.

Canada: Where Wayne Gretzky can do no wrong, you see, and if he does wrong, he must have been tricked.

Our blind trust in Gretzky is understandable, in a sense. Gretzky played in an age of heroes, a time when a player could be called "The Great One" without a hint of irony. Now we're all a bit too jaded and skeptical for that.

But we all miss that time a little, and we hate to see the heroes of that age dragged into this one, where they're just people and someone or something is constantly chipping away at their legacy.

So we fight it, either by building an insulating layer of myth around the man, or, in this case, refusing to believe it when he makes a mistake like one.

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NHL, NHLPA to resume talks; ESPN lockout poll; Daryl Katz in Seattle (Puck Headlines)

25 Sep
2012

Here are your Puck Headlines: a glorious collection of news and views collected from the greatest blogosphere in sports and the few, the proud, the mainstream hockey media.

• An ESPN SportsNation poll on when the lockout will end, with 44-percent of respondents saying it won't end in time to save the season. Is the most interesting thing about this screen grab that there are 70 hockey fans in Wyoming or that so many of them are pessimists? [ESPN, via MMiotts]

• The NHL and the NHLPA are heading back to the bargaining table on Friday. "The first collective bargaining negotiations since Sept. 12 are expected to focus on non-core economic issues, a departure from the approach taken in the final weeks before the lockout was enacted." In other words: Let's decide what color the shutters are before we decide on every other detail of the house. [Y! Sports]

• Here's some sunshine from the Motor City: "If the Detroit Red Wings do not play a single home game this season, Detroit will be out $84.4 million." [MLive]

• Danny Briere of the Philadelphia Flyers wonders why the owners aren't allowed to speak: "It's weird seeing owners not get involved or allowed to talk or say anything. They're very savvy businessmen to be where they are, and they're not allowed to say a word."  [Broad Street Bull]

• Ted Wyman's theory on the lockout: "You have to believe the owners will eventually gravitate toward accepting 50-50 as well, but right now the hardliners are simply not willing to go there. Those hardliners, we presume, include commissioner Gary Bettman and the owners whose teams are better off with no games being played than they would be if the season were a go. Owners in bad markets (we'd put money on places like Florida, Tampa, Dallas, Columbus, Nashville, Phoenix and Carolina) have reportedly hijacked this entire process and are not willing to entertain a moderate deal." [QMI]

• The top 20 fantasy goalies in the Eastern Conference, Vol. 1; sorry, Washington Capitals. [Dobber]

• It's 500 days to the Sochi Games. The Olympics' official slogan: 'Hot.Cool.Yours' No. Spaces. ARRRGH! [Fourth Place Medal]

• Jesse Spector on the NFL's locked out officials and the NHL's locked out players: "It is clear enough why the NFL and NHL are where they are today. It's more than just greed. It's a system that not only rewards that greed, but institutionalizes it." [Sporting News]

• Down Goes Brown on cost saving measures for NHL teams, including the Buffalo Sabres: "Ask the concession stand employees to defer a percentage of their multi-million dollar signing bonuses and/or no longer allow Terry Pegula to negotiate contracts for the concession stand employees." [DGB, and buy that man's book!]

• Wayne Simmonds apparently would like to score eleventy-seventy billion goals during the lockout, and get cursed out in German. [Broad Street Hockey]

• Diminutive dynamo Cory Conacher is ready for another strong season for the Tampa Bay Lightning's farm club. [Bolts]

• Here's Daryl Katz and the Oilers brass visiting Seattle. The rain, with that hair? Not bloody likely. [via @LitBomb]

• Edmonton's mayor on the Seattle gambit: "The Oilers have sold out what 150 to 200 games in a row (in Edmonton)," Stephen Mandel said in a TV interview Tuesday morning. "In Seattle you have football, baseball, if they get an NBA team (then it will be pro basketball), college football, college basketball, and then hockey. I'm not sure you're going to sell out 18,500 seats a game or 18,300 seats a game there at $8,000 a season ticket." [TSN]

• From the "tell us how you really feel!" files: "Daryl Katz is a scumbag." [Habs Blog]

• Why the Edmonton Oilers should move to Seattle: "If the team is no longer named after petroleum products, they no longer need to show their support for such products by eating Dairy Queen 'ice cream.' Hall and Eberle could move their traditional pre-game date night to a higher-quality establishment like Molly Moon's or Peaks Frozen Custard." [Espresso Slap Shot]

• How Phoenix Coyotes fans can cope with the lockout. [Five For Howling]

• Who are the Washington Capitals on the hot seat next season? [Japers' Rink]

• More fallout from the North Dakota party bust, as three more players were suspended. [CHN]

• Fighting drop 50 per cent on OHL's first weekend, compared to last season. [Buzzing The Net]

• Tampa Bay Lightning defenseman Victor Hedman signs with … the KHL? His agent: "He wants to play in the best league there is right now." [Lightning Strikes]

• Pekka Rinne takes his talents to Minsk, replacing the Niklas Backstrom. [NHL.com]

• Patric Honrqvist, meanwhile, heads to Sweden. [On The Forecheck]

• Here are Jay Baruchel's plans for GOON 2. [First Showing]

• Finally, here are a pair of fights from the KHL's game between Barys Astana and HC Slovan Bratislava — including Nik Antropov.

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Seattle Oilers: In which everyone calls Edmonton owner Daryl Katz on his bluff

25 Sep
2012

What a day it could have been for Seattle hockey.

The Edmonton Oilers touring the facilities, showing interest in bringing their cache of No. 1 draft picks to the Emerald City, putting the Seattle Whatevers (c'mmmmon Sasquatch!) one Patrick Roy-esque goaltending acquisition away from multiple Stanley Cup — a.k.a. the Nordiques/Avalanche Theorem.

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Instead, the NHL's potential relocation to Seattle's spiffy new arena conceded the sports section to inept scab football officials that botched more calls than a fat-fingered blind guy with a rotary phone.

Oh, and then there's the notion that the Oilers will never, ever, ever and never move to Seattle. That Seattle is, like Kansas City before it, a City of Leverage.

Then again, so was Nashville once upon a time — and the Predators are entering their 14th season in the NHL.

The Oilers' visit to Seattle was timed with the City Council approving a new $490 million arena to house an NBA team, and in theory, an NHL team. Meanwhile, the Key Arena will be upgraded to house a team until the new building is complete.

The Katz Group was in Seattle right as Mayor Stephen Mandel set a deadline for Edmonton and the Katz Group to come to an agreement on their 4-year-long negotiation for a new arena. From Bob Black, Executive Vice President, Edmonton Arena Corporation, Katz Group:

"I can confirm that Daryl Katz, Patrick LaForge, Kevin Lowe and others from the Oilers leadership group are in Seattle for meetings and to attend the Seahawks game.

"We remain committed to working with City Administration to achieve a deal commensurate with what Winnipeg and Pittsburgh have done to sustain the NHL in those small markets. If we can achieve such a deal, the Oilers will remain in Edmonton and we can get on with the important work of developing the new arena and investing in the continued revitalization of Edmonton's downtown core.

"Nonetheless, and as the City of Edmonton is aware, the Katz Group has been listening to proposals from a number of potential NHL markets for some time. After more than four years of trying to secure an arena deal and with less than 24 months remaining on the Oilers' lease at Rexall Place, this is only prudent and should come as no surprise.

"We are extremely grateful to Oilers' fans for their patience and loyalty as we work through this process towards what we sincerely hope will be a long and successful future for the Oilers in Edmonton. We have no further comment on the status of our discussions with other markets at this time."

This led to an extraordinary number of people calling Katz on his bluff. Ryan Batty of The Copper & Blue spelled out the illogical:

The threat to move to Seattle, or any other city looking for an NHL for that matter, is an empty threat. Under the terms of the agreement that was reached between the Katz Group and the City last year Katz pays $0 towards the arena construction costs. That's not a typo, he pays nothing. His investment is a loan taken out by the City which he pays back. Katz also gets revenue from the building 48 weeks out of the year not just on hockey nights as is currently the case at Rexall. And this ignores the fact that he's already making money hand over fist in a small and outdated arena.

(An aside: Tyler Dellow has some good information on Katz, the team's current terrible lease and how Oilers ownership got what they bargained for.)

Back to Batty:

There is no other way to put it: Katz is sitting on a gold mine in Edmonton right now.

By comparison he'd have to pay rent in Seattle and would only get 45 nights worth of revenue in exchange. Also there would likely be a relocation fee he'd have to pay to the NHL which would come out of his pocket. And, although it's a bigger market from a people perspective, I don't think the NHL market in Seattle is as strong in terms of fan support as Edmonton is. Relocating the Oilers there or anywhere else makes zero economic sense if there is going to be a new building in Edmonton.

From Jeffrey Chapman of Oil on Whyte:

Mr. Black, I understand you're likely just the lip service of this press release, but I didn't think I would be required to put on my boots so early in your conversation.  The Katz Group (and the rest of the NHL watching world) are fully aware that they've got themselves a sweetheart deal going for them right now.  You've got a team that's currently making money hand over fist, you've got a season ticket waiting list that's longer than the Great Wall of China, and you consistently sell out every home game even though the product has been substandard since 2006.

Your visit to Seattle is hollow, Mr. Katz.  Everybody and their mother knows that you're a savvy, smart guy.  There's no way you're going to walk away from (a conservative estimate of) $250M+ and a guaranteed sellout every night in favour of a market that's unproven. You've  said that you'll kick in $100M back in 2011, so that's three hundred and fifty million dollars to build this damn arena.

From Damien Cox:

What he's trying to do is wring more concessions out of Edmonton on a new $475 million arena after first agreeing to a deal, then subsequently telling city council he wants millions of dollars in new concessions.

The Oilers are already profitable and have an extremely loyal fan base that has continued to buy tickets despite the dreadful showing of the team in recent years under Katz's ownership. To reflect upon the passing last week of Art Modell, the man who moved the Cleveland Browns to Baltimore and in so doing became the most hated man in Ohio, Katz clearly knows as an Edmonton native he would be risking similar pariah status if he tried to move the Oilers.

He isn't going to. He just wants to try and blackmail the city and is using Seattle to help him in the same way Peter Pocklington once threatened to move to Hamilton and Houston.

Indeed. And in the same way John McMullen used Nashville in 1995 — during a New Jersey Devils' Cup run, no less — to get a better lease deal at the Meadowlands.

The same way Mario Lemieux used Kansas City — "go, have a nice dinner, come back" — in order to get a $290 million hockey arena built for the Pittsburgh Penguins.

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What's different about both of those cases is that the arenas they would have escaped to were arenas with incredibly sweet lease agreements — Tim Leiweke, president of Anschutz Entertainment Group and governor for the Los Angeles Kings, offered the Penguins a chance to play rent-free and be equal managing partners in the Sprint Center.

The other difference: Gary Bettman is much less interested with playing the relocation game — at least at the moment — than with working to keep the Oilers in Edmonton.

So Seattle is a ploy, a gambit, a photo posted on Facebook to make your ex jealous enough to take you back. Hell, even the NHL in Seattle blog isn't taking the bait:

Don't believe the hype around Edmonton. Edmonton Oilers owner, Daryl Katz was reported as touring Seattle KeyArena today. This is way way premature but the Oilers aren't going anywhere. Here are the reasons:

1) NBA must come first. I expect this to be 6 months to a year out at best.

2) Edmonton has always had one of the top 10 teams for ticket revenue. To expect the same Arena Revenue here in Seattle would be ridiculous and won't happen.

3) The Oilers have had total home attendance of 690,399 the last 6 years…that's max capacity.

4) Seattle NHL team will have to pay more than current EDM deal on the table

5) The NHL cannot play in Key Arena…1 year maybe but that is a stretch.

6) We are talking about the Oilers!!!!

It's a leverage play for Katz. This is part of the Arena subsidy playbook. (Mario in KC) Don't believe it. The Katz tour has been getting a lot of airtime here as well. It's not fair to the hockey fans here either.

If anything, this visit and the previous arena news does elevate Seattle to next-in-line for an NHL team in the U.S.

Logic dictates that it would be another U.S. team that relocates before a Canadian team. And when the next one decides to, would it head to Emerald pastures or to Make It Eight north of the border?

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Oilers talking relocation to Seattle or playing arena deal hardball?

24 Sep
2012

The NHL owners and executives may be muzzled right now during the lockout, but as Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz just proved, you don't need to say words to cause a ruckus.

You just need to tacitly threaten to move your team.

The same day Edmonton Mayor Stephen Mandel admitted his own frustration with the slowly progressing negotiations to build a $450 million downtown arena, setting Oct. 17 as a drop dead date for the Katz Group to lay out its demands (one of which is reportedly a multi-million dollar subsidy from the city), Katz fired a shot of his own: Visiting Key Arena in Seattle, along with team president Patrick LaForge and Wayne Gretzky.

You know, just in case things don't work out in Edmonton.

It is, ostensibly, little more than a negotiating tactic.

The Oilers released a coy little press release late Monday that basically spelled it out. From Bob Black, Executive Vice President of the Katz Group:

"I can confirm that Daryl Katz, Patrick LaForge, Kevin Lowe and others from the Oilers leadership group are in Seattle for meetings and to attend the Seahawks game.

"We remain committed to working with City Administration to achieve a deal commensurate with what Winnipeg and Pittsburgh have done to sustain the NHL in those small markets. If we can achieve such a deal, the Oilers will remain in Edmonton and we can get on with the important work of developing the new arena and investing in the continued revitalization of Edmonton's downtown core.

"Nonetheless, and as the City of Edmonton is aware, the Katz Group has been listening to proposals from a number of potential NHL markets for some time. After more than four years of trying to secure an arena deal and with less than 24 months remaining on the Oilers' lease at Rexall Place, this is only prudent and should come as no surprise."

My favorite flourish: "To attend the Seahawks game." Uh-huh.

This approach isn't that dissimilar from the tactic Mario Lemieux and company used to get the Penguins a new arena deal in 2007. It was extremely effective then, as Lemieux was quoted as saying the team would "aggressively pursue relocation" after talks broke down on March 6.

After all, Kansas City had offered the Penguins a fancy new home, rent-free.

Exactly one week later, a new arena deal was announced.

Of course, effective as this tactic can be, it has a tendency to alienate fans, and Edmonton will be no exception. From David Staples at the Edmonton Journal:

For the past few years there's been a compact between the Oilers and their most important fans — the season ticket holders — that goes like this: if you have patience, if you support the Oilers in down times when the team is losing, that will give management time to rebuild this team properly, bringing in outstanding talent with the high draft picks that come with finishing low in the standings.

[...] For Katz to now visit Seattle and to suggest the that all bets are off with the future of the team after 2014, when his lease at Rexall runs up, is a slap in the face to any fans who has bought into this deal. Essentially the message is: Thanks for your support, but we might well be moving this team we built partly on your dollar and your patience. Fans in Seattle or Quebec City or some other place will get to enjoy that squad with Hall, Nugent-Hopkins and Yakupov.

Hockey fans across the continent are feeling especially sensitive right now, but Oilers fans have been through a lot over the last half-decade. With the talent in their pipeline, it would be an absolute kick in the face if they were to become hockey's version of the Oklahoma City Thunder. (Or the 1995 Colorado Avalanche.)

But, as fitting as it would be for the Seattle fan base to get the prospect-rich franchise this time around, it's likely just a tease.

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Edmonton Oilers owner Daryl Katz gave an interview to the Edmonton Journal regarding his quest for a publicly funded new arena, and the transcript is as convoluted as hearing my buddy and I argue whether an X-Wing could defeat a Battlestar Galactica Viper in a dogfight. (The answer, of course, is the X-Wing; even if the targeting computer fails, Obi-Wan can guide your weapons system.)

But there were a few interesting moments among the political blather and imprudent threats — like the concept of Edmonton being "one of the smallest of small markets," as Katz put it.

From an outside Alberta perspective, that seems possible. The team's financial problems in the past left a stench of uncertainty.  We hear the small market harangue every summer during the free agent frenzy, as the Oilers overpay to attract talent.

But is Edmonton really a small market team in today's NHL?

Here's David Staples quizzing Katz:

DS: … what would you say first to the size of the Edmonton market right now, the size of the Edmonton market going forward, and this notion you should be doing more to build this privately as we saw Toronto, Ottawa, Vancouver.

DK: Well, No. 1, I can tell you the way we look at the markets. Markets are determined by the size of their media market. The size of the media market determines TV revenue, advertising and sponsorship revenue. Edmonton and Winnipeg are tied for the smallest markets in the league. That significantly affects revenue and the ability to grow. So I don't know where you're getting your numbers, but we in the league don't look at it that way.

Later, on tickets:

DS: Does not Edmonton, though, have a larger base of people who are willing to pay top dollar for NHL tickets and does that not also something (that's used for) a formulation of how big the market is?

DK: No, it doesn't. Edmonton could be viewed as a very loyal hockey market but you have to also understand we have the lowest corporate season-ticket base in the National Hockey League. We have more of an individual season-ticket base when you look at every other team in the league. That's something that's a challenge for the Oilers. To be frank, that's something that the Calgary Flames, for instance, don't have. They have a very big corporate base.

Forbes rates the Oilers at No. 15 in its latest team valuations, worth $212 million (US). Gate receipts were listed at $53 million from the previous season, with player costs at $55 million. Overall revenue has grown for the last three years, including a jump from $87 million to $96 million in the last two seasons.

For perspective, that $96 million in revenue puts them in the range with the San Jose Sharks ($96M) and the Minnesota Wild ($97M) and ahead of the Washington Capitals ($94M) — none of whom are usually listed about the League's small market teams (at least not in the last few seasons).

Jonathan Willis of Oilers Nation has long argued that the Oilers are not, in fact, playing in a small market now, and that the definition is for political purposes:

The Oilers are a big-market team. The Edmonton Oilers are the seventh-most expensive team to watch in the entire NHL (warning: PDF). Despite this, and despite being a terrible hockey team, they sell out every night. How many markets in the league would support that? It doesn't matter how many people live in the city, or what the size of the potential television market is, or any of the rest of it: all that matters is the number of people willing to pay to watch hockey. It's higher in Edmonton than it is in the majority of NHL markets; ergo, the club is a big-market team.

It is in the Oilers' interest to appear to be a small-market club. The Edmonton Oilers are negotiating with the city for support in building a new arena. Naturally, the city wants to hang on to NHL hockey; it's easier for the Oilers to extract money if the perception is that there's some danger in relocating. Obviously, there's an incentive for the team's ownership to play up that risk. Of course, as we've just pointed out, a team that sells out the building despite prices well above average and a club well below average is pretty much a dream scenario for an NHL owner.

Agreed -- Edmonton's small market be definition, but not in actual revenue generated.

The full Katz transcript is here. Give it a read and try to figure out how an owner who claims the team doesn't have an ounce of the corporate support that teams like the Flames have will suddenly fill pretty new suites in his arena.

Oh, but what an arena

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